*giggles*

Oh dear Moff.

You’re not helping the criticisms are you?

Another woman whose character/agency is trapped/dictated by a time loop?

And this one ends up being responsible for the Doctor’s very existence? A VITAL PART of ALL his incarnations?

You’ve taken the show’s WHOLE 50 YR HISTORY and inserted your own creation into it?

…Moff, I like your writing a lot (most of the time), and you know I actually enjoyed this episode and I don’t object to this at all personally (because it’s ‘only Doctor Who’ to me)… but I rather think that’s something of the DEFINITION of a ‘Mary Sue’?

:p

(also there should have been more clips of Five in those flashbacks - the only one I saw was him wobbling in space from Arc of Infinity I think? or was it the daft space walk and cricket ball throw from Four to Doomsday? whatever - MORE FIVE PLS!)

angelicembraces:

“If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, it’s yours. If it doesn’t, it was never meant to be.”

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Yes, this :)

I especially LOVE what’s said here about how Dean and Cas both make a conscious effort not to get in the way of what they both understand is of vital importance to each other’s lives.

Cas knows Sam is the most important thing to Dean, and he is not jealous of that, he respects that and doesn’t attempt to break Dean and Sam apart, because he knows how unfair it would be to get Dean to try and leave Sam.

Equally, Dean recognises how important Cas’ Heavenly family and fixing Heaven is to Cas, he respects that and doesn’t attempt to keep Cas from Heaven, because he knows it would be unfair to try and get Cas to stay with him when Cas feels such a need to fix his home.

This hasn’t always been true of either of them. Dean certainly didn’t seem to respect Cas’ connection to Heaven and other angels in S06, constantly requesting Cas put him and Sam before the needs of Heaven and the angels. Likewise, Cas didn’t respect Dean’s connection to Sam through S06 as much as he could have, not showing much sympathy for Sam’s soullessness and, of course, ultimately splitting Dean and Sam apart when he broke Sam’s wall.

But that’s why the finale was SO GREAT - character development!

Dean doesn’t try and stop Cas from going back to Heaven, because he finally understands (or at least better understands) that sometimes being part of Heaven is more important/necessary to Cas than being with Dean and that’s okay (and, you know, other stuff about Dean’s lack of self worth plays a part there too, because he doesn’t think it’s his place to ask Cas to stay etc). And Cas takes Dean back to Sam when Dean asks, because he understands that sometimes it’s more important Dean is with his brother than at Cas’ side and that’s okay.

And absolutely YES about the quote. Dean and Cas can’t always be together, they have personal journeys to go through. They need to LET GO of each other sometimes. And it’s only in the letting go that they are able to COME BACK to each other and truly understand how much they care for each other :)

singifyourewithme:

I am a leaf on the wind: Cas + Crowley

littlehollyleaf:

I just realised.

Next season we have a fallen angel - that is an angel made human.

And a potentially elevated demon - that is a demon made human.

Well THAT’S some nice symmetry :)

Especially since the angel and demon involved are ones who teamed up before, one trying to be the ultimate…

Things that I’ve just realised I want next season: Crowley in the bunker. Like, why not? He can’t go back to Hell, the other demons will know something’s up, and anyway I’m not sure he’d be able to stomach the things being king would require of him anymore. So they keep him in the dungeon, chained in the dark, but they have bring him food every time they do he talks, begs, wheedles and requests and gradually stuff starts building up: books, a lamp, a pillow and blanket. He helps them - grudgingly - with cases, as part of his penance, as a way of seeking forgiveness, and eventually they even let him out, to shuffle round the main floor, manacled and clinking, watching them half-warily and half-snidely as he pages through the old Latin-derivative text neither Sam nor Cas could read.

Yes, I’m thinking something like this! Though I don’t know if they’d chain him up… 

I’m wondering if whatever the injections have done to him might have changed him so much that he’s no longer demon enough to smoke out? So he literally CAN’T go back to Hell. Just like Cas no longer has the power to get back to Heaven.

In my mind he doesn’t end up in the bunker, more he roams around on his own offscreen for a while, then a few episodes in we run into him again and he ASKS to help them with cases. Because he doesn’t know what else to do with his life.

Or… oh oh, maybe him and Cas can try and do penance together??

IDK!

But yeah, in the bunker? Why not?

I’m imagining a kind of Angel + Spike kind of thing. Crowley is like Spike with the chip in his head. Castiel is a supernatural being suddenly human (and with a soul! :p). Both of them regret their past… heh, perhaps the Men of Letters can be like Angel Investigations… my friend Kate even wondered the other day if Sam and Dean could collect the fallen angels and bring them to the bunker (or some other HQ) and they would be like Potential Slayers…

waywardshadow:

littlehollyleaf:

I just realised.

Next season we have a fallen angel - that is an angel made human.

And a potentially elevated demon - that is a demon made human.

Well THAT’S some nice symmetry :)

Especially since the angel and demon involved are ones who teamed up before, one trying to be the ultimate…

I would love to see this next season!

However, Crowley wasn’t entirely made human, right? I mean, the trials said something about Sam dying if he would complete the trials, which meant making a demon human. Also, Dean said he was ‘willing to let that bastard go’ to keep Sam alive. So I guess that means Crowley isn’t completely human. 

That’s why I said ‘potentially elevated demon.’

Maybe newly fallen Cas’ blood will be human blood now and HE can complete the cure of Crowley??

hellchesters:

wise words from Dean Winchester

Do you know how AMAZING it was to see them WORKING TOGETHER this way though?

This was like an extension of Hunteri Heroici - Dean giving advice, Cas listening.

Like in HH Cas made his own choice about what he wanted to do in life - before it was being a hunter, here it’s shutting himself and the other angels in Heaven in order to try and rebuild his home. And like in HH Dean makes the choice to support Cas in his choice and help him through it.

Because, like Dean says, he didn’t HAVE to help Cas close Heaven - what was important to Dean was closing Hell, the benefits to Dean of closing Heaven were minimal. The way I see it, he chose to help Cas FOR CAS more than for himself. Something he’s been doing throughout this season - in HH and also when he agreed to help Cas save Samandriel and even when he was trying to break Cas out of his mind control. Dean’s attitude to Cas all season has been care for Cas IN AND OF HIMSELF, not as a tool, not as a weapon, just AS CAS.

It’s character development and relationship development all rolled into one and, oh <3

It stings that ultimately Cas’ choice (which came down to trusting Metatron over Naomi) was WRONG in the end. Because it’s another example of Cas screwing up, isn’t it? Of him letting his family down (all the Sam and Cas parallels there).

But at the same time I was SO HAPPY with how it went down. Because when it came to the point where Dean and Cas disagreed on how to proceed. When Dean chose to believe Naomi and Cas chose to believe Metatron - there was no ultimatum between them, this was NOT a repeat of S06, they were not at odds. Instead they were able to split up and make their choices independent of each other.

Dean sacrificed his mission. And saved his brother as a result.

Cas pushed on with his mission. And sacrificed his family as a result.

Choices and consequences they will both have to deal with. But ones that do NOT affect their personal relationship with each other.

What happened allowed Dean and Cas, and will continue to allow them both, to develop as INDIVIDUALS. It gave them independence from each other. While simultaneously developing, and I’d say even strengthening, their relationship.

<3

redsky90:

deancas meme:  10 episodes [7/10]

↳ Sacrifice (8x23)

carpesapientiam replied to your post:

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a few posts explaining that it’s not the same song, only the lyrics are similar. I think the OP even corrected the post. 

Nooooooo!

…I jest with my despair :p

Oh well, so much for that one then :)

I remember another demon shoved face first into holy fire while she screamed and burned. And that one came back with the same body as well. Just imagine Abaddon reclaiming her charred body. in all its grotesque glory. and it will be a really heavy make up job but maybe she  skins some other young lovely lady to replace her former hosts charred skin. I can see abaddon doing that.

bottom line is: I dont care how they do it I just want Alaine Huffman back. *pouts*

Hey point!

That would be cool actually :)

Only 5 freaking months before we know…

Oh it’s going to be a LONG SUMMER…

Oh, well that clears that up at least :)

I’m confused though, because Mark’s natural accent is not American… but then having watched the ep again I’m no longer sure he was slipping into American after all, it doesn’t sound as American to me as it did the first time, so… idk :p

I loved the actress playing Abaddon too! The first thing I said when Sam burned her was ‘oh no, but I liked that host!’ I hope whoever plays her next season matches her performance, she’s got big shoes to fill!

As to Naomi - BALTHAZAR didn’t get a wing shot either, but I think it’s clear by now he is definitely dead. I’m not going to hold on to this ‘no wings’ thing as a hope AGAIN. As I understand it, she’s dead until I hear otherwise :(

*tries to backflip* *fails* *collapses in a heap on the floor*

It doesn’t have to mean anything, it’s just a cute little reference back to when Dean and Cas first met :)

Though if you consider their conversation in the bar - Cas was committing to returning to Heaven and closing the door behind him, to leaving Earth (and Dean) for good. And Dean was acknowledging that their current mission together was likely to be their last - ‘this is it.’ They were both saying ‘goodbye’ without actually wanting to admit it was ‘goodbye.’

So that scene was to be their last moment together, and the music playing was the same as in their first moment. Just a cute bit of symmetry :) 

You can expand on it in all sorts of ways I’m sure. There’s lots to compare and contrast between their first meeting and the scene in the bar - they met with Cas pulling Dean out of Hell, now Dean is helping lock Cas in Heaven; they met with Cas asking Dean to help Heaven, now Cas is again asking Dean to help Heaven. Oh, other stuff! Still a little too tired for in-depth thinking :p

It can mean as much or as little as you want it to :)

There weren’t many things that bugged me I have to say.

I can’t think of any real plot holes. I remember thinking briefly that it didn’t quite match what we knew of cupids that one could be a normal looking woman when the previous cupid was a child-like almost naked guy :p But you know, all angels are different, so it doesn’t really contradict anything, I suppose, though I’m pretty sure that was a retcon happening there :p.

As to Metatron being a player - well I’d been suspecting that since 8.22, so that didn’t surprise (though his plan for Heaven DID! in all my considered scenarios, casting all angels from Heaven did NOT come up! :p).

The fates of our awesome female antagonists? Plural? We only lost Naomi. Though I do think that SUCKED D: I would have liked her next season. She was complicated, and the show doesn’t have enough female characters with complex characterisation and storyarcs. She could have been something like Benny, maybe? A dark past, but wanting to do the right thing. An uneasy ally. Killing Naomi was a loss :(

But at the same time, I can handle it. I thought it made sense within the story that Metatron would kill her. And you know, this show is what it is sometimes - it’s a story about men and being a man. Annoying, but I’ve kind of made my peace with that at this point. I don’t expect SPN to be high literature, I just enjoy the good stuff it DOES bring to the table and let go of the stuff it could have done but didn’t.

Plus, Abaddon is still around and likely to play a large role in next season as far as I understand, which is AWESOME. I’m excited about that! :)

Though while we’re on the subject of female characters in the finale - I felt Jodi Mills was written as a bit too much of a damsel. I LOVED her going on a ‘date’ with Crowley and all the stuff about her finding him hot, hee :) But when she found the hex bag in her purse and started choking… I dunno, I feel like she could/should have done more to save herself in that moment. For me that’s a minor quibble though.

Yeah yeah yeah, it’s fine really I know. I just would have liked Dean’s personal ‘I need you’ repeated is all :p