I am a leaf on the wind
oh guys x
I’m a little overwhelmed by the influx of messages I just got supporting me against my trolling anon(s). You guys are just wonderful :)
It’s okay, I’m good. I can handle what now makes a grand total of 4 stupid messages. I know others get much worse and much more (and apparently the last part was sent word for word to a few other blogs as well, so it’s even less noteworthy).
If I get anymore like that I’ll probably start just deleting it without note. No one needs that crap on their dash x
*showers you all in rainbows and sunshine*
Anonymous asked: You are absolutely out of your mind stark raving fucking crazy! For you to devote that much time to formulating a question over a completely fictional ship that's a figment of your deluded mind only means that you are fucking nuts and need to get a life! Why don't you spend some time helping others through charity work or something? Try to make yourself useful somehow, you useless piece of shit. Oh, and YOU'RE FUCKING BUTT UGLY, TOO, YOU TOTAL CREEP.
You have no respect at all for Jensen! You are not a fan of the show, or of him. Jensen HATES Destiel, but you persist in supporting that fucktard Misha in his trolling of your stupid ship, to the detriment of Jensen’s comfort level. You don’t care about Jensen at all! You and Misha are completely vile on top of being totally mentally unstable. Get over it, Dean is 100% heterosexual, is not in love with Cas, barely even likes Cas, but he totally loves Sam and puts him above EVERYONE ELSE.
Combining because, since these came so close after each other, I’m going to go ahead and assume you’re the same person.
Aren’t I popular since JIB?
List of things I want from human!Cas (WIP)
- Cas in
Dean’s different clothes.
Dean teaching Cas how to Cas learning to shoot a gun.
Dean teaching Cas how to Cas learning to flirt.
- Cas eating pie.
Dean teaching Cas how to Cas learning to drive.
- Cas being EXCELLENT at pool - no really, because he can analyse the angles of shots and stuff, and completely clears the table on his first try while Dean looks on dumbfounded and then proceeds to use Cas as his secret weapon for all pool hustling from then on.
- And while we’re on that topic - Cas being EXCELLENT at poker, because he has the perfect poker face and I bet he can card count and everything.
- Cas exploring and translating ancient texts and magic in the Batcave.
- Cas being an expert at spellcasting.
- Cas teaching Dean how to fight with a sword.
- Cas teaching the boys Enochian.
And some tragic stuff too:
- Cas feeling depressed and useless at first.
- Cas, perhaps, comtemplating suicide and Dean having to talk him down.
- Cas being grumpy and complaining about human weaknesses.
- Cas having nightmares
and Dean comforting him after them.
- Other angels blaming Cas for their fall and trying to kill him.
- (though the flip side should also be true - other angels THANKING CAS because falling has been the best thing to ever happen to them).
- Cas crying.
- Cas bleeding.
- Cas crying.
I’ll add as time goes on…
(Source: tevinkran, via destielbiteme)
I agree with crzydemona. I totally thought that was Metatron reenacting the fall from the Garden of Eden story and paraphrasing be fruitful and multiply. He even says “Go” to Cas at the end and you can almost hear the “and sin no more”…..
Ugh! This interpretation just gets clearer and clearer! I can’t BELIEVE I didn’t cotton on right away!
Metatron was basically quoting the Bible to Cas. He’s playing God and telling the new ‘man’ to be fruitful and multiply.
Omg of COURSE he was, because he’s ‘casting out’ the angels from paradise, like Adam and Eve were cast out!
You know, I think he probably really thinks he’s doing the angels a favour by it as well. He’s seen how it worked out for humanity, seen them grow and clearly been impressed. I think Metatron feels like the angels will truly BENEFIT by being human, that it will enrich their lives, that it will be a genuinely better, character building state of being than existence in Heaven as been for them. I think this really was part of a plan to help his family, on some level. He knew/believed that locking the angels in Heaven and trying to work through their issues wouldn’t work, but decided locking them out and getting them to experience life away from home, to learn independence, might. So many stories champion the Fall after all - and the tale of eating the forbidden fruit is considered by many to be a really great thing, the fruit being metaphorical of knowledge and life, taking us from childish innocence into a richer life of experience.
Perhaps Metatron was trying to IMPROVE the lives of his family.
…though of course, if he’d TRULY had his family’s wellbeing at heart, he would surely have locked HIMSELF out of Heaven as well, and gone through the journey with them… perhaps? Or perhaps he feels he’s already walked that path of enlightenment during his exile and that it’s his turn to rest at home for a while.
In any case, I think that might be where this story of fallen angels is going - the angels GROWING UP during their time on Earth, basically. Finally developing individual characters/identities in ways that life in dystopian Heaven has been denying them, learning to experience the full range of emotion, developing their own personal likes and dislikes, enjoying the pleasures of human experience and generally becoming more ALIVE than they have ever been (with the pain of human life contributing to this even).
I know I had many discussions before the finale about the problems of implying that you need to be human or have experienced life as a human to be truly alive, and how it risks presenting human life/experience as unfairly superior. I still sympathise with that argument x But I do feel like the central message of the show has always been a humanistic one, so I would not be surprised at all if the championing of humanity was where the story was going, and it’s still a concept I favour I’m afraid (the Promethean myth rather hinges on it! :p).
So, gosh, I would LOVE to see the angels learning to love humanity and being human (on the whole, anyway - there should also be tragic stories of angels who hate it and are bitter and probably try to kill Cas because they blame him for their plight). I would LOVE to see the story work towards an ending that offers to reverse the casting out, only to have a significant number of angels reject their grace and refuse to return to Heaven because they have come to find life as humans more fulfilling (Cas included!). Or maybe some angels do take back their grace, but choose to remain on Earth anyway, living alongside and watching over the humans they have come to love and value. YES! That would be best, wouldn’t it? If it came to a choice for them all - get their grace back or choose not to.
In any case - I think being fallen has the potential to be a very very positive thing for the angels indeed :)
butterflydm replied to your post:
honestly, if Jensen thinks he’s playing Dean as genuinely straight, then my opinion of Jensen’s acting ability has gone down b/c he’s not conveying what he wants to convey.
You know, I don’t think it’s anywhere near as simple as Jensen ‘acting Dean as straight.’
I was talking about this with letheanriver in Rome and she said something I agree with and that’s that Dean has taken on a life of his own, a life beyond even Jensen.
So it’s not that Jensen is acting Dean AS STRAIGHT. He is just ACTING DEAN. And there are certain gestures and expressions and ways of speaking and acting that just HAPPEN when he’s acting Dean, because they feel right, not because he’s making any conscious choice.
I mean, in the Jensen and Misha panel at JIB the two of them even discussed acting ‘choices’ a little bit and how the word ‘choice’ is often too strong a word, because often there was no real decision making involved, they just act something how they feel is right, or do something accidentally that works and run with it.
So yeah, the way I see it - Jensen just acts as Dean. And when he comes to analyse those actions later, when he comes to analyse the kind of person Dean is, that’s little different to US analysing and interpreting Dean. He’s not a Method actor remember, he doesn’t try and truly live inside the character, so he’s actually viewing Dean from the outside in a similar way to us. And when he views Dean and considers the character analytically, he just happens to interpret Dean as ‘manly’ and ‘heterosexual’ - which is as valid an interpretation of Dean as ours imo. If you were writing an academic essay on Dean there is enough evidence to argue his character is like that as as there is to argue he is a repressed bisexual - you could write 2 separate essays each presenting those differing interpretations and each would be valid and able to get high marks. That’s how analysis works. You take the evidence and make your case. There’s rarely a right or wrong way to analyse literature, right?
Although I know letheanriver may disagree with me there, since we differed over our understanding of the term ‘manly,’ which may well be another issue. Because I’ve always been under the impression Dean IS ‘manly,’ but letheanriver was arguing that some of the things Dean likes - dressing up, satin panties, LARPing etc and the way he often gets emotional - means he actually ISN’T manly. Though I can’t remember - did we decide this meant he was ‘effeminate’ then?
In any case, something we did agree on was that ‘manly’ is absolutely wrongly/unfairly considered to be superior to ‘effeminate’ - in general, but especially for men. So that’s a factor too - Jensen (perhaps especially as a Texas boy?) probably thinks it’s wrong/weird/bad for a man to be ‘effeminate,’ and so may be reluctant to consider Dean as such for that reason.
Me? I think Dean is BOTH ‘manly’ AND ‘effeminate.’ I think we ALL are. The idea that character/identity is an either/or between these two extremes is a fallacy imo. We all have ‘manly’ and ‘effeminate’ traits, and so does Dean. You can argue that he has more of one trait than the other, though, of course. At the moment I’m inclined to say it’s an even split, although I think Dean has always wanted to be purely manly and no doubt has similar complicated feelings about effeminate men as Jensen (and, let’s face it, probably most of the male world) does.
This has gone off on such a tangent, sorry!
Dean is complicated. The end :p
necklace890 asked: Hey. Quick question: Are you attending JIB again next year? :)
I don’t think so :( It’s a lot of money to fork out 3 years running… but I’m keeping an eye on the website and who knows… maybe when Passes are available I might get tempted by a Sinner ;p
letheanriver replied to your post:
I didn’t like that Metatron quote either: DO NOT WANT lol Mostly I had a problem w/ the blatantly awful female characters’ treatment and all those bitches and whores thrown around. I hated that. Unnecessary and insulting.
Gosh, sorry it’s taken me so long to reply to this! So much discussion going on, and I haven’t even TOUCHED on stuff about the consequences of angels falling yet!
Anyway - I don’t think we have to worry about Cas following Metatron’s advice (too much). Because it was made by Metatron, and why would Cas do anything he says after the way he tricked Cas and cast out all of Heaven? Someone else commented to me that it came across as sinister, and I think it was supposed to have that vibe, so it’s not like it’s an actual prediction for next season :p
As to the female characters in the finale… idk, I didn’t have too much of a problem. I thought Jodi was too much of a damsel and I was sad Naomi died, but other than that I was good.
I didn’t even NOTICE the ‘bitch’ and ‘whore’ insults the first time round myself. I caught them the second time (only the 2 right?), but only I think because I was listening out. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I wasn’t personally insulted. The insults were made by the villains of the episode - Crowley to Abaddon and Metatron about Naomi - so I feel like that emphasises the insults as terms that are wrong/bad. Plus they are, for better or worse, words that ARE used in RL, so I appreciate the realism there. Considering Crowley’s history, I think it was particularly in character for him as well. So, yeah *shrug* I get why other people would be unhappy about them though x